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ivyblossom) wrote2009-12-13 09:46 am
ivyblossom) wrote2009-12-13 09:46 am
Wha?
Okay, HP fandom. You have some splainin' to do. Victoria Bitter? Really?
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*head asplode*
Well, um. I liked the fic, but beyond that, WTF.
Well, um. I liked the fic, but beyond that, WTF.
Didn't we start Veela Inc. in 2001?
OMG even if we started veela inc. in 2001, holy shit it's been a long time. It's 2010 in a few weeks. Jesus. We are old. Well no, I am old. You are forever 22.
You didn't give him any money, did you?
Actually I think we started veelainc the mailing list RIGHT before new year's eve in 2000. You were NOT out of fandom in 2001 you liar. Well maybe late 2001, but not hardly.
I was with a group of people recently talking about the wankiest fandom, and the reason we decided LOTR won was because of Victoria Bitter. I guess HP can claim back the crown.
Nope. I only read the fic recently, for that matter.
Yeah, ditto. I'm actually worried that some of the biggest wank on it seems to be about the pronouns--this is a person whose EVERY SINGLE WORD about his/her identity is suspect. Along with identifying as male, he's identified as the earthly avatar of a fictional character, and the fake blood relative of a famous actor.
And poor Turimel being told she's holding a grudge? Of course she is, she lost THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS and had the police at her house and collection agencies and wtfever else, it's not like you just stop being pissed about that because time has gone by. :p
And poor Turimel being told she's holding a grudge? Of course she is, she lost THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS and had the police at her house and collection agencies and wtfever else, it's not like you just stop being pissed about that because time has gone by. :p
Hrrr. Wait, maybe you're right. I was 20 when it started, so it'd have to be 2001... (I know cos I was in the UK) so I'd say by mid-2002 I was outies. Well, trying to outties. My fiction novels that were done on our little writers com were written when I was 21, 22 and 23 and date to 2002, 2003 and 2004. So I guess we were still in fandom but we'd already crawled off to make our own sekrit website and do our own sekrit shit.
Yeah. I understand the trans community getting pissy about the terminology, but give the way fandom tends to fawn over the mens, protraying oneself as a man in fandom has huge advantages, many of which thanfiction appears to have exploited. Also: god I don't really want to show respect for this person. :/
Just the...the amount of time and effort that this dude has put into...whatever it is he's putting it into. IDEK.
Yeah. I was still moderately paying attention 5 years ago in library school, when I went home for the weekend and there was some wank going on related to me that a classmate had to tell me about. Ha! Now I am safely ignored again.
There's surely a few disserations worth of stuff in this.
ALL OF THIS. And yeah. I feel like if I refer to VB as 'he' then I'm somehow diminishing all the real, not-crazy transpeople.
Yeah, but this is like people making fun of Nick Griffin (our local far-right party leader) for having one eye. It's not that he isn't an irredeemable fascist thug, it's that the fact that he has one eye isn't relevant. And I realise that there's an additional dynamic with the gender imbalance in fandom (boy howdy, do I realise it), but still, even if you have to think of it as showing respect for transpeople in general, please do.
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Indeed. Also, HAI THEIR OLD FANDOM FREND!
That and I can't afford to send money to everyone in fandom who asks for it in one way or another.
I feel that neither you, nor I, nor Ivy, get to say what's a real transperson, you know?
In that case though, there is at least a fact to work with. I'm not arguing that we use female pronouns. I certainly wouldn't want anyone feeling diminished (other than...the person in question). But I really not convinced yet that this person is trans, or irish, or living in his car, or whatever else he's said. Since we really can't know anything concrete about each other in fandom, as soon as you start deliberately, demonstrably lying about EVERYTHING, it all comes up for question.
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